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Friday, November 16, 2012

C: RANT WARNING–“Public v. Private” Matters

Nothing like a sex scandal to bring me out of temporary blog retirement. But, really, this isn’t a “sex scandal” per se, rather something much more. I smiled to myself that the very last post I wrote on this blog was about Benghazi, which is so intertwined with this subject matter which is: Generals Petraeus and Allen; Paula Broadwell and Jill Kelley. For your reference as we go through this scenario, here is a little diagram:

petraeus mess

Deep breath…here I go.

When I hear diametrically-opposed opinions from someone I respect, I sit up and take note. In this instance, it is my blog friend, Karen, from This Old House, Too. Karen’s posted a couple days ago on this subject, lamenting that we have to hear about this scandal ad nauseum and that it is nobody’s business but that of the players.

I don’t get this and replied (lengthily, as none of you will be surprised), that it is, indeed, my business when the head of MY CIA engages in risky behaviors. This is Karen’s reply (in color) to my comment (redacted for space, but you can see the entire exchange by perusing her blog comments—and her blog, itself, is worth the visit).

I'm sorry C... I still do not agree with you in a big way. HUMANS will always have their sexual daliances...Just because we made it our business a long time ago to try to force human nature out of the human by insisting on monogamy...even though it goes against basic human nature.... I don't care what their position is in government, we have no business in their bedrooms. And the reports I'm reading state that there is no evidence that he gave away classified information. You can assume all you want because you are angry over the indiscretion... doesn't make it fact. We need to get real about our expectations and stop making other people's sexual -whatever - our business. Now, if they come up with hard evidence that he gave away intelligence information that could inform a "spy"... then he should be prosecuted to the hilt. I don't see that happening. The man has had an exemplary career. Stellar, in fact.
Anyway... you have a right to your opinion on this and time will tell whether this was a ridiculous witch hunt or had merit.
[the emphasis shown is mine because I don’t want to forget this and because it is part of the crux of this post]

While I agree that it is sickening to hear about this affair, I believe that we NEED to hear it.

We must consider risk factors to determine fitness of a person for a particular position or activity.

Do you think it is okay for a person seeking a high corporate position to be vetted as to his credit score? I do, because experience has shown that people experiencing serious financial difficulties may be led to do unethical things they might not otherwise do. I believe that the cause-and-effect risk effect in this particular scenario is a valid one.

In the Petraeus case, I believe that his “private” behavior mattered to the performance of and his fitness for his job  in much the same way. At the time of his affair he was head of our CIA. We traditionally worry about spies being in compromising positions because they hold the keys to so much of our national security information. Here it involved the man who holds the key to all of our national security information (or almost all of it…not sure how all that works).

Do not forget that he represents YOU. He was, at all times, YOUR EMPLOYEE. This is NOT a private matter. It is my tax dollars at work, my national security, and a serious business--beyond the usual scumbagness of adultery.

I do believe, as I told Karen, that it is a sorry statement that so many of us are willing to turn blind eyes to this serious business on the pretext of "privacy." I hold to my opinion that this is not a private matter. It's my government. And people in MY responsible positions ought to act responsibly for very good reasons.  If they want to be big shots in a pool where they can privately act in such a way, they can head up Ford Motors, but not my CIA.

Now, Moving from Philosophy to Substance:  Accounts I am reading say Paula Broadwall had information that she had no business having. Look at these very recent sources:

First, an ABC news report on November 15, 2012 5:28 PM which can be found here

Obama stressed that the affair posed no threat to national security: "I have no evidence, from what I have seen at this point, that classified information was exposed," Obama said Wednesday at a White House news conference. But it turns out that some was: the FBI has found a "substantial" amount of classified information on the personal computer of Broadwell…

Though the contents of the material obviously can't be revealed, officials say it is significant enough to warrant a continuing investigation. According to ABC sources, officials also found documents Broadwell admitted taking from secure government buildings. Broadwell has now been stripped of her military security clearance. Prosecutors are now determining whether to charge Broadwell with a crime.

Or look at what the UK’s Telegraph is reporting on November 15, 2012, quoting ABC sources, here:

Yesterday, senior government lawyers said they were keen to question Mrs Broadwell over how she came by the undisclosed material. They are also anxious to ascertain the source of the former Army reservist's information on the attack on the US consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in September.

In a speech at the University of Denver … Broadwell told the audience: "Now I don't know if a lot of you heard this, but the CIA annex had actually – had taken a couple of Libyan militia members prisoner and they think that the attack on the consulate was an effort to try to get these prisoners back. So that's still being vetted."

US officials have so far made no reference to the possibility of prisoners being the catalyst for the much criticised bloodshed in Benghazi.

So, we have the lover of the head of our CIA trotting around spouting in speeches stuff she has no right to even know and having classified information that she should not have and which the General denies giving her.

· Do you know that it is a federal offense to have classified information in your home, especially if you aren't cleared for it?

· Don't you think that is a good idea? Don’t you want classified information protected?

· Don’t you want responsible positions occupied by people who will adhere to the law concerning the dissemination of that information?

· If there is some criteria that says a person who is involved in risky behaviors is more prone to violate that responsibility, don’t you want to know that about them before they take that office?

· Am I the only one who considers this important?

Let’s move on to another player: General Allen, who is in Afghanistan, being considered for the Supreme Commander, NATO position. He has been found to have sent “thousands” of “flirtatious” emails to Jill Kelley of Florida, married “socialite” who was “close” to the two generals involved. It was to Kelley that Broadwell penned “cat-fight” emails (characterization is not mine—one of the news reports called it that).

Kelley is interesting only in the context of this scandal. She was given a “position” by General Petraeus: “Honorary consul for South Korea” so that she could “promote free trade.” Amazing (stifling giggle, here).

You could not make this stuff up and be believed.

Ms. Kelley may just be a socialite, but she knows opportunity when she sees it. Let’s look at an ABC news report on her published on November 15, 2012. The entire article can be found here:

This article tells the story of Adam Victor, a New York businessman who discussed a multi-billion-dollar Korean business deal with Jill Kelley who told him (and this is important) that Petraeus had arranged for her title as consul and that this put her in a position to “…have access to senior levels of the Korean Government…”

Ms. Kelley had absolutely no other credentials to be “promoting free trade” at senior levels…. She simply had the endorsement of your general (and mine) and cloaked in that credibility attempted to conduct serious trade discussions.  She demanded of Mr. Victor—are you ready for this?—a payment to her of $80 million for her services!

What do you call this? Is it influence peddling? If not, why not? Is it ethical? Is it what you want your General and your CIA director doing? As a citizen boss, do you think it might have been better not to “bestow” such a title which leads others to believe she was a serious player in global free trade?

Victor went on to say he was disappointed in Petraeus for helping Kelley become an honorary consul. "Frankly, I blame Gen. Petraeus for this as a lapse of judgment…" Ya think?

We won’t even talk about the dork FBI agent who sent Kelley his shirtless picture. I think he’s fired and, if not, I want him off my payroll. He’s obviously of inferior intelligence to what I expect of my FBI agents.

Now for the real concern I have here. I am deeply disturbed by the way the attack on our Ambassador to Libya went down on September 11, 2012.  I want to know what happened (within the constraints of true national security) and I want to be sure that it won’t happen again to the extent that we can.

As I type this there is the television blare of Petraeus’ testimony before the House Intelligence Committee.  At least he is willing to say that what the White House was initially saying was not true, but the reports are (Chairman of the Committee) that Petraeus’ testimony today differed from his initial testimony before the committee.)

Apparently, he told the committee that the report that UN Ambassador (bless her heart) was trotted out by the White House to distribute was “at odds” with the report that the intelligence community gave to the White House. (Insert sacrificial lamb, here). The committee exonerates Ambassador Rice, saying that she only did what she was told and probably had no idea that she was fed lies by the White House for this purpose. (My language—they were much nicer).

What do I expect of persons who are in the type of government positions occupied by these two generals? 

  • I want people who heed all my Ambassadors’ pleas for more security…especially in places like Libya.
  • I want folks who will pull out stops to save those who have gone in my service into harm’s way.  I do not want officials who hole up in some “situation room” watching as those people end up giving their lives while NO ATTEMPT WAS BEING MADE BY WASHINGTON TO SAVE THEM.
  • I want leaders who are strong enough not to throw up red herrings (anti-Islamic Youtube film) to excuse their failure to act.
  • I want LEADERS OF GRAVITY AND INTEGRITY who we can trust to act on our behalf to protect those overseas workers and who, when things go wrong, will not lie to us in explanation.
  • And Here is Where it Comes Full Circle, Encompassing the Generals, The Girls, and Benghazi:  I want leaders of integrity who, when they speak on these weighty matters, won’t have their words sullied by stupid acts of sex-above-all-else which cause us to wonder about their over-all judgment and veracity and which may have led to breaches of secure information. 

Yep, I’m steamed.  And it ain’t about the adultery right now.  It’s about folks acting in ways that fly in the face of serious and sober responsibilities they are charged with—giving heavy titles of consulates to light-weight socialites; allowing access to my country’s deepest secrets by lovers with loose lips.

I think it just generally benefits us all to demand a level of integrity and mature, sober behavior from our leaders.

And I submit to you that all the factors which bear on the above are public, not private matters.

So there!  -C


Mamma has spoken said...

It may be none of my business, BUT if he lies to his wife about being faithful, he can be lying about other things too.
As for humans not meaning to be monogamous and goes against their nature, I call bullsh*t. I've been faithful to the same man for the past 30+ years and will continue to be faithful for the next 30+ years. I can say without a doubt that he has done the same.
Oh and we aren't the only species that are monogamous out there.

teri said...

I used to live in a suburban NJ town that had a lot of FBi and CIA families. These families would move in, stay for 2-3 years, and then be transferred. I once asked about this and was told that the government doesn't like them to form strong attachments to neighbors, in the interest of national security.

That made sense to me. Family members might be tempted to gossip to close friends, for sure, and they also would be more likely to become entangled in affairs of all sorts that would make them vulnerable to extortion.

I'm not sure that I personally needed to know about Petraueus & co, but someone sure should have been watching things there. Upper level employees are as human as those in the lower ranks, and all the socializing they are doing is not good. It just goes with the job.

Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Lord Acton knew that in the 19th Century, and we'd benefit from remembering that.

Karen said...

Dear Momma has spoken... I did not say NO ONE CAN BE MONOGAMOUS, or should choose to be. How wonderful that you have had such a loving, rewarding relationship. There are many who follow the same path and it works very well for them. The truth of the matter is still... that monogamy is a hard road to travel for many many people. All you have to do is look at your news... how many politicians have been caught in the act, how many marriages have failed because of infidelity.. my point is that it's going to happen, whether we like it or not, history reveals that truth. Does that suck? Absolutely! But it is what it is. Not even all Presidents refrain for the four to eight years they're in office! I believe it's time to stop making such a huge deal out of it.

C... you have some real points here as to why you are concerned, and I will concede that I have not looked at ALL angles as closely as you have.

I still think we need to stay out of our politicians bedrooms, but I love you dearly as a blog friend who says it as you see it, honestly and no holds barred :-)

And that's all I'm gonna say about that.

Vee said...

This goes so much higher, deeper, further than we can possibly believe. Talk about the stuff of novels! And I don't think that we'll ever know because we have a foul and corrupt media that has no intention of not protecting the top. And, not only would I not want such a character as my CIA director, I wouldn't want such a character as my president. Think Clinton and whomever else you'd like to insert here.

Thistle Cove Farm said...

I think the big O would throw his Mama under the bus if it got him out of the, negative, limelight.
Someone told me Clinton's sexual affairs were his business, not our business..meaning the voters. I told her, Clinton made it my business when it took it into the Oval Office. If a man or woman will cheat on their spouse, there's no doubt in my mind they'll rationalize cheating the taxpayer.

Karen said...

Now, see, Sandra... that kind of talk is just nasty. I don't think President Obama would through his mother under the bus for any reason at all, and that kind of talk is what's turning us all against each other as a nation.

I happen to be the one who told you I thought Clinton's sexual affairs were not the business of The People, for the same reasons I have stated above.

Again, I wish we'd stop thinking we sexual affairs , regardless of who they are. No one is immune to the weaknesses that come with being human and we have much more important fish to fry.

Sorry, V and C, I know I am the opposing side on your post, but you posted me to yours... so I feel it's ok to speak here.

Karen said...

* to correct that sentence.. I wish we'd stop thinking we have any business in other people's sexual affairs... regardless of who they are.

Sandy Houpt said...

To respond to Karen, you can keep on wishing but as long as my tax money pays the salary and my safety and security is involved, I will continue to be concerned about my employees sexual exploits! You are right on the mark "C" with your blog, these are our employees and they answer to us and if they put us in harms way we will respond.

Stickhorsecowgirls said...

I'll never forget when the Clinton drama was going on. We were visiting my sister and her family. My brother-in-law was behind me as we were walking up the stairs. Someone commented on Clinton's infidelity and lying about it. My(now ex) brother-in-law angrily muttered "It's nobody's business what he does." Later it came to light that he was involved in a longtime affair at this very time--he was just biding his time until his youngest child was 18! Sorry, but this kind of betrayal IS a reflection of CHARACTER. I don't hate everyone who is guilty of infidelity, but they are not the person I want next to me in a foxhole! There are plenty of men out there who ARE trustworthy and capable of fidelity-
C and I have often discussed whether God allowed men to have multiple wives for the reason that they are wired differently. Hmmm--I'm NOT advocating that, but it IS something to think about. A post for another day perhaps!
I do think it is good if we can respectfully disagree with friends. Even C and I do not agree on everything !!!--I'm sure we both think that one day the other one will wake up and smell the coffee!

Karen said...



Sandra said...

C -- I read this (yes, ALL of it) to Jim. He and I both agree wholeheartedly with what you say and appreciate you expressing it so well.

btw, we were with a group of friends last night and talking politics (we're all conservatives). I brought up the petitions from all 50 states to sucede from the Union. And several of them said they would never sign one because it could put them on the radar of a run-amok federal government in some future "crackdown". And these are not people who are knee-jerk conspiracy theorists who normally worry about that sort of thing. Scary, huh?

I am thankful I'm a Christian -- it gives me peace that is non-existant in the secular world, especially in these times.

Be safe, my friend. And give V my love.

ain't for city gals said...

What I really wish...is that ONE time the wife would stand up in front of the cameras and say to her husband...Go to hell..I'm out of here!...instead of parading her out like a little puppy dog. And I really don't care who is sleeping with who but to use e-mail or any other electronic devise is just plain stupid in this day and age...and I don't like stupid in men or women...

Linda Lou Rogers Averitt said...

I think that if your going to be in the publics eye with people depending on you then you need to live like that, we need trust worthy leaders, men and women that hold to the high standard they are walking in, if I can trust a person to be faithful in the honesty to their spouse, then how can we even expect them to be honest with us? I think it is the publics business. I agree I would like to see one wife stand up, but they are in the publics eye too and still very protective of their spouse, American needs to stand up to and not put up with it.........

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